‘A portrait of defeat’: inside a revealing film about Pope Francis

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‘A portrait of defeat’: inside a revealing film about Pope Francis
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Gianfranco Rosi’s intimate new documentary In Viaggio: The Travels of Pope Francis follows the pontiff as he confronts contentious issues around the world

, when the holy figure takes a pause from giving hopeful or apologetic speeches to stare into the abyss, lost in his own thoughts and prayers. Those are opportunities for Rosi, the documentary film-maker behind Fire at Sea and Notturno, to invite the audience into contemplation and leave room for skepticism and ambivalence.“The silence for me is more important than the notes itself,” Rosi tells the Guardian over a Zoom call from Manhattan.

Rosi is sitting by the window in the same Meatpacking District apartment he’s had since attending film school at New York University in the 80s. He’s wearing an all-black ensemble with matching hat and tinted frames. The Italian film-maker, born in Eritrea, can easily pass as a Milan fashion designer, speaking with a heavy accent and big hand gestures while a green marker is nestled between his fingers.

That initial meeting took place at the Vatican after the pope had seen Fire at Sea, Rosi’s Oscar-nominated look at the migration crisis in Lampedusa. The pope had been close to that issue, having visited Lampedusa just months after taking up the papacy in 2013. In 2021, Rosi reconnected with the Vatican after the pope visited Iraq. The film-maker had just spent three years in the war-torn area to make his 2020 documentary Notturno.

Pope Francis looks on at a square near the ruins of the Syriac Catholic church of the Immaculate Conception , in the old city of Mosul in northern Iraq., the film-maker Elle-Máijá Tailfeathers discussed the pope’s visit with the Women Talking director, Sarah Polley.

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